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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the assay

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and a few weeks

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ago i reached out to journalist tim

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mcmillan after he released a piece for

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the debrief which he discussed the

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potential of project titan and some of

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the

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conference and we heard a lot about that

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a lot of exciting announcements as well

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and then speaking to tim tim said to me

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there's one man you want to speak to and

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that man is joining me on the podcast

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today he is a member of the central

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ufological nationality he works for the

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italian ministry of foreign affairs and

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is the italian national representative

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of icer that is the international

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coalition for extraterrestrial research

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and he is also one of the founders of

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that organization i'd like to welcome

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paolo gezade to the podcast paulo how

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are we today

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thank you andre very very fine and

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really glad to be with you tonight

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no it's good to have you on and i hope

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i've done the sun name justice with my

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pronunciation there yes yes

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i gave it my best shot

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polo uh you are someone who for many of

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the listeners your name has come up

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quite recently in terms of ufos and uh

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you're obviously looking to make

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somewhat of an impact with the various

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organizations and projects on the table

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can you give the listeners a little bit

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about you and your background and what's

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put you on the path to the topic of ufos

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on the international stage

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well andy i have to say that i mean uh

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first of all i want to say one thing

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which is important

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because i never i never cited one ufo

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not even one not even health ufo

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so to speak but

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but in any case

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i have always had a great great interest

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for this

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this subject i mean ufos as a as a

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mystery as a mystery

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in itself and for the possibility of

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extraterrestrial life

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but not only this because uh since when

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i can't remember i always had the

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how can i say the feeling

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uh the concrete feeling that

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not only there must be somewhat someone

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else in the universe but that

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universe i mean whatever surrounds us

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in whatever surrounds us there is a lot

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lot more than what it seems

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so and and this always fascinated me i

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really i mean i feel

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excited to live

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surrounded by this enormous mystery i

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mean i understand that this is something

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that can be

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how can i say that i mean that no not

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everyone likes this because

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most of the persons that prefer to stay

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on their own safe

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corner so to speak

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while i am i'm really happy and glad to

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to delve into the mystery whatever not

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only ufos not only et life but also

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things like shamanism

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or things like um the so-called

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reincarnation

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or the in near-death experiences

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very very very much interesting for me

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even though the ufo and et subjects are

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sorry the two

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that are most interesting for me at all

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so i mean i never saw a ufo myself

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fall uh from my horse when i was riding

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to damascus

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so i mean i never had had an

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epiphany of sort if you will

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but i always had this this this

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innate feeling that there must be a lot

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lot more and that i want to discover it

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so this is my background so

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yeah it does i mean it sounds like

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you've got a wonderful open mind to a

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range of subjects and you mentioned

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their parapsychology which leads into

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the the paranormal reincarnation

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shamanism do you think all of these

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different areas including ufos and

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extraterrestrials or whatever these

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entities or beings may be do you think

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they all have some sort of link

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potentially to each other

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indeed indeed you know and the the more

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to say that simply everything is

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connected to put it very simply

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and everything is connected so the more

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i grow in in my personal knowledge and

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been pulled towards the idea of there

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being something more was there any

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particular event or moment was a meeting

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or a conversation with someone even in

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your professional life that that really

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decided for you that there was something

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out there and and obviously you've met

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some very interesting individuals i'm

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definite moment well uh one um

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which was important was when it was in

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father went to to the movie to see 2001

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space odyssey and that really really was

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something that that still today

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and that was it was how can i say

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all those

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thematics like

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space space exploration the possibility

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of life elsewhere but i mean

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correct feeling

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that that there indeed there must be

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much much more in the universe

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famous for its football team with a

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massive stigma

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areas of course mainstream journalism

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mainstream media mainstream science

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but the feeling of how can i say of the

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people if i can use this term was

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supportive of this idea of of ets of it

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is existing in the universe and maybe

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existing here maybe maybe because you

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other entities you call them angels or

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saints i mean

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this this

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situation is changing is evolving for

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things are changing i mean for instance

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the other persons who were invited at

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this this transmission were really

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very very very unqualified people

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who in most of the cases just laughed at

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this possibility of ufos and et's and so

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on while while in in recent months it's

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progressive and definite change in the

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of these show because roberto he

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into these shows

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that the subject of ufos

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where roberto participate of course

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this channel italia uno is broadcasting

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right now these days in uh first

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that but i mean uh at

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and this uh mr is called mystery land

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this this transmission is broadcast in

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prime time which is really something

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while and they are doing this they are

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transmission uh mystery land in prime

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time kudos to them i have to say

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yeah that's that's wonderful to hear

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because over in the uk we we don't have

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that uh it's still very much laughed at

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the language in the media as little

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green men flying saucers

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something that's come up even recently

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and if i want to say the more serious

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articles that have appeared in the press

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in the uk they still use derogatory

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terms like alien hunter and it's it's

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talking down about the subject so it's

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nice to hear other european countries um

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certain big countries as well like italy

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are are changing the tone in the context

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of the conversation

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and but and by the way andy maybe i'm

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saying

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nothing actually new

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um

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even the pope even francis pope francis

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one day i think you know that

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uh

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in a public audience he said by you know

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one day if if you know if martians came

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uh came to me and they see he said yes

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yes martian those little green men with

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antennas and so on like kid paint them

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those if one of these

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uh would come here and and asking me

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would you but

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baptize me

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uh i would say yes of course so i mean

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this is something that

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really means something

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it really means that i mean the notion

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of et

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it is is indeed making it slowly making

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its way in the minds of the people

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and and that's really important as well

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that the vatican do embrace that

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conversation and that is a a definite

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tone change from themselves over the

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years and i suppose they don't have an

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observatory for for no reason because

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they're looking at something out in

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space so that's always been an

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interesting one i i would love paulo

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could you tell us some of the the famous

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events or ufo events in italian lore

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what would potentially be the italian

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roswell

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the potential roosevelt is rather easily

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said that happened in 1933

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happened in 1933 and and what is

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interesting is it is really interesting

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not just because it pre-dates roswell of

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uh

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14 years

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but what is really interesting is that

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um

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in 1933 in italy we already

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see

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all the main ingredients

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at work

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the main ingredients that we came to

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know very well with roswell and other

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cases

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we have the first of all the immediate

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secrecy

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first

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then we have the cover-up and deception

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immediately after

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then

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we have the scientific high-level study

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so in italy 1933 june 1933

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we see these ingredients already at at

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work perfectly as it happened in

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the united states of 1947.

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the and this is important because i mean

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um just to

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quickly

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um just for for a quick recap of the

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situation in 1933 northern italy

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uh and

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a mysterious aircraft of on off unknown

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origin

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um landed or crashed um

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this is not known for sure in any case

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we say landed in northern italy not far

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from uh

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milano

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and the lake of como more or less so uh

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they say that this um

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this mysterious aircraft and by the way

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i say mysterious and

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if it was

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if they called it mysterious it must

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have been really mysterious because i

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mean aviation in

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uh

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in

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and and it was one of the key

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uh sectors of the um

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of the italian army in general so

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i mean if they say that it was uh

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unknown it really means that it was

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something

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unidentifiable okay so um

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what is interesting is that nowadays we

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have the copies of

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various telegrams which were sent by the

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press agency the only pris press agency

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of the regime which was called stefani

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stephanie agency

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and there are at least four of these

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messages which were broadcast to all the

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offices with

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the highest priority

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and they were top not

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reservatissimo is confidential

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were classified as confidential

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and

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today we have the the the copy i mean we

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have the originals because

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most of these are owned by roberto

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pinotti himself

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we have the originals of these uh of

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these telegrams

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and so you can imagine that i mean just

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by the sheer number of telegrams that

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were sent in one day i mean four

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telegraphs of the highest priority

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and

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high classification that were sent in

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that day so you can understand just for

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from this fact that the matter was

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considered very very seriously

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so uh

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then what happened

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it looked like this uh

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these um

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debris or

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or this what remained of this

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unknown aircraft that was gone was

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conserved in a in a hangar

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owned by the ci marchetti which was uh

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aircraft produced

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i think it was the main aircraft

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producer of that time

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where they were kept

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for

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mussolini

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assembled a sort of majestic 12 so to

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speak which was called rs

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33

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special research

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33 is the year of foundation which was

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headed by marconi by the way

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and they tried to and it is said that

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they tried to

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uh investigate of course trying to

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understand what this device was and so

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on

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and then what happened

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then came the war

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at the end of the war

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uh

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what remained of this

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unknown aircraft was

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confiscated by the indian americans and

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was sent

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to the u.s

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what one thing which is interesting is

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that in

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2010 at the 2010 congress of san marino

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we had the an intervention by a

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gentleman by the name of william brophy

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who said that his father was an officer

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in the u.s air force in in

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1948

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if i remember well

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uh he had the possibility to

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see

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the corpse

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kept down the formalin

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two aliens

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um of the nordic kind so to speak high

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quite tall

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pale

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white hair and so on classic

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the the classic kind of nordic aliens as

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we call them

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and he said that

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his father told him

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that these two bodies were confiscated

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in italy at the end of the war

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so this is something that was not known

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and there of course there are many

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rumors many uncontrolled voice voices

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concerning the subject

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one is that mussolini

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when he came to know and

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very likely could have seen the these

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two bodies

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could have been led to think that they

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could have been german

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and so

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he could have he could have thought that

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if the germans have this kind of weapons

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of course

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we can ally

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italy can ally with germany and of

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course we will war

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uh we will win the war very easily so

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but of course the this is something

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which i mean they're just rumors

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so

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take just take take them at face value i

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mean don't don't

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it's not possible to to to do any

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historic check also concerning the uh

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the um italian majestic 12

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this rs 33 cabinet

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there are traces in these documents that

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have been uh sent anonymously to roberto

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pinotti and not only to roberto pinotti

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but also to other

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a couple of other um

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review not reviews um

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papers

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and

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there are i mean in this in these papers

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uh which

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are papers of the senate of the republic

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i mean there is the emblem of the senate

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of the republic

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and there is mention of this secret very

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secret rs-33 cabinet which was meant to

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have top priority over everything

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not even the the

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the university

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of the vatican

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should have known should have been

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informed about their findings

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so this is the

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this is for sure um

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the the

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we could call it the italian rose world

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if you wish

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and it is interesting because you see we

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see we see that i mean

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we know roswell we know more or less how

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it works we know we know the mechanism

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uh under the after this um

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this event i mean the mechanism that

547
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,640
this event triggered

548
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,880
but it is interesting to see that

549
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exactly the same thing happened in the

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fascist italy of 1933 you see

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so this is something that it is

552
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:16,480
important and it is important andy not

553
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only for this uh but also because uh

554
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especially for

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the the younger youngest generations or

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those who have just started to

557
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:31,120
taking some interest in this in this

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subject of ufos slash ets

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ufos and maybe ets is something new no

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no it's not not new at all because at at

561
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least in 1933 started and if we really

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want to

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go

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how can i say

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in the past we can see we can see a lot

566
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of traces of what we could call today

567
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,520
ufo events

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like the you know the romans even had a

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specific name

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for these ufos they they called them

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clipeos ardentes

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which means fiery shields

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so they they

574
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because they also

575
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:26,000
saw sometimes these

576
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shields

577
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uh most of the time that they were

578
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glowing and so so they they

579
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:35,200
created this the this name so i mean

580
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the

581
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:42,720
phenomenon is not new at all it's being

582
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:46,000
taken what is new is that it's been

583
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:50,240
taken seriously and that is new actually

584
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,840
really but the phenomenon itself is not

585
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,640
not new at all thank you very much for

586
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,320
sharing that paulo that was a very

587
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,320
excellent retelling of that story and

588
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,000
the most comprehensive i've heard as

589
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,159
well and it probably does a disservice

590
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,159
to call it the italian roswell given it

591
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,120
predates roswell itself so can i can i

592
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,640
just ask though is there any

593
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,279
any reason you think for the secrecy of

594
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,520
the time and obviously famously with

595
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,000
roswell the us military announced they

596
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,080
had captured a flying saucer and very

597
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,559
quickly changed the press release to say

598
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,919
it was nothing more than a weather

599
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,400
balloon and misidentification

600
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,080
why didn't the government at the time

601
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:32,400
just come out and announce what they had

602
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,000
but you know andy i think it's very

603
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,880
simple after all i mean um

604
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:38,480
consider

605
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,120
uh when the romans saw these clippers

606
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,720
ardentes

607
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,679
uh these fiery shields

608
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:48,960
um

609
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:52,799
flying zip zipping across the skies what

610
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,440
could they think

611
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:57,760
maybe maybe

612
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:01,919
something connected to to the gods maybe

613
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,039
and if it happened in 90 m say in the 20

614
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,000
in the 12th century

615
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,000
they could have been

616
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,240
angels or demons

617
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:16,720
most likely demons so

618
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,960
and but if that happened in

619
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:23,440
in a civilization i mean

620
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:24,640
where

621
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,200
men already knew how to fly

622
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,360
so things change

623
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:33,840
they do change indeed because

624
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,430
men already knew very well how to fly of

625
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:43,760
course not with the devices we have

626
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,159
today but they knew how to fly

627
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,480
so they knew how to build machine

628
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:50,960
they knew how to build a machine that

629
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,360
could fly properly and so on

630
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:56,399
so it was immediately recognized the

631
00:28:02,350 --> 00:28:01,120
military technological value of these

632
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,360
unknown

633
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,799
unidentifiable but definitely

634
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,120
technological devices

635
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,600
so no wonder that

636
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:11,679
in im immediately

637
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,039
the secret was imposed over over the

638
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:16,880
matter because of course

639
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:19,600
there was a great and there is still

640
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,039
today a great interest to try to

641
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:25,039
replicate this

642
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:28,960
devices this craft with this uh showing

643
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:31,520
these incredible performances

644
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:34,960
and the story in 1933

645
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:43,590
in in recent times it's always the same

646
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,480
story

647
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:47,039
there is a specific interest by the

648
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:50,320
military to try to

649
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:53,679
uh replicate these devices because

650
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,279
whoever could be able to do this would

651
00:29:02,950 --> 00:28:59,520
have found the holy grail

652
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:02,960
of the military power military air power

653
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,000
so i mean it's very simple for me

654
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,559
what sort of interest has persisted

655
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,240
within the military and italian

656
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,240
government to do with this subject then

657
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,880
because if what you've said in 1933

658
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:16,880
happened and the italian military and

659
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,679
government recover this incredible craft

660
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:21,919
that they're unsure where it's came from

661
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,480
you would think that interest would

662
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,080
remain with the government and the

663
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,799
military in italy to this day

664
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,120
what sort of interest remains

665
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,520
yes indeed i think that this is a

666
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:34,960
general

667
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,679
applies to any

668
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:41,360
any um

669
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,559
any military environment which find

670
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:46,640
itself confronted

671
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:49,600
with a crashed ufo

672
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,720
i think that whoever today is i mean

673
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:53,760
today

674
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:56,640
now that we know that it's possible to

675
00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:00,159
build devices that can fly

676
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:01,360
now

677
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,720
in for i mean not not only for the

678
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:06,799
italian military

679
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:10,399
not only for the us military but for any

680
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,919
any military organization in this world

681
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:15,440
uh military

682
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,480
slash

683
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,200
military intelligence organization in

684
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:20,880
this world

685
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:23,600
each one of these

686
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:27,440
will have a definite and great interest

687
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:31,039
in this kind of device and of course

688
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:34,559
the the this kind of device i mean this

689
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:38,240
kind of interest entails the secrecy

690
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,679
because of course

691
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,159
each one each uh

692
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,640
military establishment would like of

693
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:45,760
course

694
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:49,919
to be the first to create to re

695
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,000
replicate some

696
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,559
a device cape at least capable of some

697
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,120
of these incredible performances of

698
00:31:04,070 --> 00:30:59,840
course for the final purpose of military

699
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,080
air power so military air supremacy

700
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,760
um i don't know if you've seen

701
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,399
unidentified the series that we had

702
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:10,960
tommed along luis elizondo and i'm sure

703
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:13,279
you're aware that a couple of years ago

704
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,159
they met with um some italian colleagues

705
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,320
i'm sure some of them may be of yours

706
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,480
and they discussed several different

707
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,200
exchanges of information one incident in

708
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,360
particular they talked about

709
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,519
potentially being able to use a

710
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,320
frequency to let some of these objects

711
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:32,880
know that they know they are here and

712
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,200
they can almost communicate in some sort

713
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:38,240
of way what can you tell us about that

714
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:39,840
well

715
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:44,240
i was present at that meeting

716
00:31:46,550 --> 00:31:45,200
and

717
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,560
well um

718
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:47,760
[Music]

719
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:51,360
one of the most interesting cases that

720
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:55,039
uh we talked in in that meeting was what

721
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:56,720
happened in

722
00:32:03,669 --> 00:31:59,919
uh the remote locality of caneto di

723
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:03,679
caronia it's called caneto di caroniat

724
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,880
rewards which is a very small

725
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:08,720
village in

726
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,399
on the northern northeast north eastern

727
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,039
coast of sicily

728
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,519
very close to the sea

729
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,919
and uh well

730
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,240
it's difficult to make

731
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:24,880
a resume on this because it was really

732
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:28,000
something that went on for a long time

733
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:29,600
went on for

734
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,640
uh

735
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:33,440
many months many months at and with

736
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,399
intervals so it was really something

737
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:39,279
definitely definitely strange it started

738
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,399
with

739
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:41,440
fires

740
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,120
in in normal houses i mean

741
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:47,360
uh

742
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,720
but what was strange was that this fire

743
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:52,240
developed

744
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,440
in

745
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:55,600
quickly and

746
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,159
what was burning was not something that

747
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:00,080
you could expect i mean you could expect

748
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:02,720
burning something which is electrical i

749
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,399
mean the the electrical cabinets or

750
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:08,960
the fridge maybe because the motor has a

751
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,519
short circuit or things like that

752
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,240
but there were beds there were

753
00:33:18,530 --> 00:33:16,880
pieces of furniture

754
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:18,540
chairs

755
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,240
[Music]

756
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,039
boots even boots

757
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:26,960
really it was really

758
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,360
something strange definitely

759
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:31,279
so that uh

760
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:34,480
and the situation got uh got at a point

761
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:35,360
where

762
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,559
uh the inhabitants of of that area had

763
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:41,200
to be evacuated for

764
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,880
for some i think some weeks at least

765
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,640
and there was a

766
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,960
and there were many

767
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,000
um

768
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:52,880
strange episodes that happened

769
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,320
um ufo sightings

770
00:34:02,549 --> 00:33:58,960
also there was this

771
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:02,559
event where an helicopter was apparently

772
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:03,600
hit

773
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,559
by

774
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:06,559
something which

775
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,159
uh supposedly could have been a directed

776
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,200
energy weapon or sort because i mean the

777
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,919
the the there was this helicopter which

778
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,440
was not

779
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,159
a civil helicopter helicopter of the

780
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,200
civil it's called protection

781
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:25,599
it means civil protection

782
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:28,720
which is a civil body

783
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:31,359
and this helicopter was flying over the

784
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,879
area and it it it was a shuttle flight

785
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:36,879
nothing nothing special

786
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:40,320
uh all of a sudden they

787
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:43,359
uh the the the helicopter was shaken

788
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:46,240
like sort of an explosion i mean it was

789
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,119
really

790
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,159
uh abrupt and

791
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:52,720
and it became difficult to to handle it

792
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:55,679
pro to govern it properly but

793
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,880
nonetheless the pilot managed in and in

794
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:01,359
any case he managed to to to do a safe

795
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,560
landing

796
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:04,800
and when they landed they really

797
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,000
remained

798
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:08,400
surprised because they they went to

799
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,599
check the rotor blades over and they

800
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,960
found a hole

801
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:14,000
like this

802
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:15,359
in the back

803
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,320
one rotor

804
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,599
i mean

805
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:21,760
and what is interesting

806
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,560
is that there was a gentleman

807
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:26,079
on the ground

808
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,160
uh at the moment of this event he was he

809
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:32,960
had a camera with him

810
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,839
so he noticed that at a certain point

811
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,160
this helicopter was behaving

812
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:40,160
erratically i mean was not flying

813
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:43,359
properly as if it was as if it had a

814
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:46,240
problem damage so it it took some

815
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:47,520
pictures

816
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:48,400
and

817
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,720
later when he uh examined he saw

818
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:54,960
uh he take he took a look at these

819
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,280
pictures he saw that i mean here was the

820
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,280
helicopter and here

821
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,520
there was a white globe

822
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:04,560
not that far i mean maybe

823
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,520
one kilometers one kilometer not more

824
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:09,359
there was this white

825
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,640
white uh how can i say globe

826
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,040
well it was not a global was i mean the

827
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,680
definition of the image was not so not

828
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,079
so elevated so it was not the

829
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,400
not easy to to to

830
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,160
discern anything

831
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,520
just just as this

832
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,680
white but definitely white spot i mean

833
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:28,960
it was

834
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,640
so what to say uh it's not clear how um

835
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:35,839
a blow

836
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,240
like this uh capable of doing uh this

837
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:42,400
kind of uh of hole

838
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:43,200
in

839
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,109
there were no

840
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:51,839
no shots i mean no no round of

841
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:53,119
ammunitions

842
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:56,320
that were that were uh

843
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,359
shot

844
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,720
uh

845
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:01,520
there was no nothing and it was also the

846
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:02,560
way

847
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:05,520
that i mean it was not the perforation

848
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:07,839
so to speak it was not a perforation

849
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,800
hole

850
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:09,760
was

851
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:13,520
more of uh you know like when there is

852
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,320
the

853
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,560
when happened is uh

854
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,880
vapor explosion

855
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:20,640
like when

856
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:24,960
when a truck um when a tree is struck by

857
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:28,400
a lightning the the the the water

858
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,160
explodes uh so and it was something

859
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,119
which appeared like that appeared i

860
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:37,520
cannot say that it was i mean it

861
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,240
appeared like an explosion of vapor so

862
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:42,720
to speak of course

863
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,760
you you could very well say that a tree

864
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:47,359
is one thing

865
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,240
and a rotter blade is another and does

866
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:51,599
not have any

867
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,560
any water inside so how is it

868
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,640
difficult to say in any case what

869
00:38:02,790 --> 00:37:59,040
happened uh there was um

870
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:03,829
study

871
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:08,960
assembled for to to try to understand

872
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:11,839
something on these on this phenomena

873
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:14,320
that that happened

874
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:18,160
they did extensive studies i mean not

875
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,599
just uh

876
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,520
in different locations by different

877
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,560
teams

878
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:24,000
and so on so

879
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,520
what they

880
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:27,040
are certain

881
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:28,960
was not that much but was very

882
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:31,520
interesting because ah by the way

883
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:34,880
the the final conclusions of these of

884
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,400
these studies was never made public by

885
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,400
the way i don't know why but it was

886
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,240
never made public in any case it was

887
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:44,000
known

888
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:45,520
that uh

889
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:48,880
they are certain that these fires were

890
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:52,640
very lack very likely pro provocated by

891
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,960
the emission of very high energy

892
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,000
very high energy microwave

893
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,280
radiation at very high frequencies so it

894
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,000
was it's it's like the principle of the

895
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,119
radar short pulses emitted

896
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:12,320
and these pulses were very short but

897
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:16,000
very very high of very high power

898
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:19,760
and at frequencies very very high many

899
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:22,640
many gigahertz so to speak

900
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,720
and what and they had been able to

901
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:29,839
triangulate to identify the source

902
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,480
of emission of these of this radiation

903
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,000
radiated power

904
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:36,640
and they found it was

905
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:40,839
around 60 or 70 kilometers north of the

906
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,400
area and that's fine but 70 kilometers

907
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,280
from the area that just see

908
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,119
yeah so

909
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,440
what to say what to say

910
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,000
according to a gentleman who

911
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:57,359
participated into this meeting which was

912
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:00,640
a show which was broadcast in the

913
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,599
in the uni unidentified

914
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:05,599
right it was unidentified yes that's

915
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,720
correct yeah okay okay so according to

916
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:11,280
one of the gentlemen who was

917
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:14,079
who was involved in the studies

918
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,520
apparently they found that

919
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,680
it was a sort of

920
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,560
controlled emission i mean it was not of

921
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:24,720
course it was not natural

922
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:27,280
it was a controlled emission

923
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,960
and they say that they had been able to

924
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:33,359
somehow

925
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:34,480
uh

926
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,319
understand how it worked but um

927
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,280
that was not i mean uh the the real

928
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:43,839
cause was still remains

929
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:46,560
a mystery in any case in any case

930
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,560
uh for sure there were many ufo

931
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,400
sightings in the area

932
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,680
also

933
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:56,640
not only these events of

934
00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:00,160
strange and sudden fires but also there

935
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:01,200
were

936
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,160
for

937
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:04,640
quite a long time

938
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:08,319
mysterious events which we could call

939
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,319
we would term them

940
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,040
ufo sightings more or less

941
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,040
it was a very interesting conversation

942
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,040
that it was had on unidentified and i

943
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,359
believe the the same colleagues who had

944
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:20,720
that discussion

945
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:23,839
they mentioned that the the objects were

946
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:25,760
in a stealth mode i believe was the

947
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:28,720
language and that they had to come out

948
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,480
of any stealth mode to to fire or use

949
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,200
any potential weaponry

950
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,680
how was that assertion made how did they

951
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,920
reach that conclusion are you aware

952
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:41,359
no no no

953
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,359
no this is why i didn't i do not want to

954
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:47,520
to expand too much because i really do

955
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,640
not know

956
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,599
so i i prefer i mean when

957
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,280
when there's something i do not know i

958
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:55,920
prefer not to say anything

959
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,119
unless i have a possible explanation

960
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:02,079
for myself in this case in this case i

961
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,359
really

962
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,240
don't know don't know anything more

963
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,400
no that's fine what i would ask paulo

964
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,920
one more thing on that

965
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:11,839
and speaking to your colleagues while we

966
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,800
never found out the public report wasn't

967
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,560
released in terms of the classified

968
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,240
information

969
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:20,400
were was there a leaning that this was

970
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,000
potentially extraterrestrial in origin

971
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,000
or were they leaning towards a more

972
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,720
man-made explanation potentially

973
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:29,520
well

974
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,480
it was sad it was said uh i i tend to

975
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:36,800
stress it was sad because i really did

976
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:39,200
not have the possibility to

977
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:39,920
to

978
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:46,400
it was said that a possible e.t

979
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:50,000
origin of this phenomenon could not be

980
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,119
completely ruled out

981
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:56,000
so this is what it was said and please

982
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,119
take it

983
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,160
for at face value because i do not know

984
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,839
if this is true but this is what i heard

985
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:05,760
in in

986
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:08,880
some not in not just one occasion but in

987
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:12,720
some occasion i i heard this story so

988
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,160
i i i refer this but again this is

989
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,720
something that i cannot confirm myself

990
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,960
no of course and you work within

991
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:22,560
government yourself

992
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,760
uh what sort of conversations can or do

993
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:28,079
you have about the subject with your

994
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,599
colleagues do they entertain the notion

995
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,640
well

996
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,040
you see i i work for the italian

997
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:36,720
ministry of foreign affairs which

998
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,640
typically only deals with uh with the

999
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,720
terrestrial powers

1000
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,880
okay

1001
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,079
yes um

1002
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,200
i'm joking but i mean uh i'm

1003
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,680
half percent joking half percent serious

1004
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:54,079
in the sense that of course this is i

1005
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,000
mean my my interest for the ufo slash et

1006
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,119
subject has nothing to do with my work

1007
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,400
um yes with my colleague i mean they

1008
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:07,359
know they know my interest and sometimes

1009
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:10,960
they they like to to hear or to to what

1010
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,920
i have to to tell them and

1011
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,880
but i

1012
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:15,920
again

1013
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,400
as i said before concerning the italian

1014
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:19,440
media

1015
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:20,880
uh i

1016
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:23,839
also from their reaction i can see that

1017
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:26,079
the subject the subject the whole

1018
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:27,839
subject is being

1019
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,400
taken and considered more and more

1020
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,480
seriously in italy

1021
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,040
and that's wonderful to hear paulo how

1022
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:37,200
did you now come to be involved with

1023
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,720
icer as an organization

1024
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:42,880
well uh

1025
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,079
first of all i started my involvement uh

1026
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,640
within the ufo

1027
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,319
ufological

1028
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,560
activities with the chain trophological

1029
00:44:59,550 --> 00:44:54,079
nationale

1030
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,560
am a member since

1031
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:01,440
2008

1032
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,480
and i am the responsible for the foreign

1033
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:06,960
contacts of course

1034
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:10,400
of the in in the chain trophological and

1035
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:13,839
i was um i can say i was not

1036
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:20,069
by roberto pinotti who is now the

1037
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,520
president

1038
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:22,800
of the

1039
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:28,880
also of icer i was nominated by him

1040
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,079
and to be the

1041
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,000
the italian representative i was

1042
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,480
accepted by the others and

1043
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,839
and that was

1044
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,319
in the beginning in fact i am one of the

1045
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:43,359
one of the founders my my now my numbers

1046
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:44,839
is

1047
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:47,599
seven and uh

1048
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,880
and i said my can i add the two two

1049
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,040
zeros

1050
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,680
they said no no you are seven

1051
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:56,960
anyway

1052
00:46:03,109 --> 00:45:59,920
so this is uh how i became

1053
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,119
involved with with icer

1054
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,520
now why is it important to have an

1055
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,240
organization like icer on the world

1056
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,640
stage

1057
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,800
it is important because

1058
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,800
you know first of all

1059
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,520
the private research on the ufo

1060
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,160
phenomenon has always

1061
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,960
has never seen an international

1062
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:24,240
organization

1063
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,839
so there were many

1064
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:28,960
organizations in

1065
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:32,880
in italy in the uk in the us in france

1066
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,079
in spain you name it

1067
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,760
but but

1068
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:38,960
there was

1069
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:44,800
truly international organization with to

1070
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,800
study to privately privately study the

1071
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,640
ufo phenomenon

1072
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,400
so i think this is

1073
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,119
important because

1074
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:57,119
because we know the

1075
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,720
the ufo or uap subject as a phenomenon

1076
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,920
as you prefer

1077
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:03,680
is indeed a

1078
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:06,160
truly worldwide uh

1079
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:07,359
phenomenon

1080
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,160
so

1081
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,800
why not why not an international

1082
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,319
organization

1083
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:14,640
rooted

1084
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:18,000
in many countries of of this planet to

1085
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,680
study i and also also it is the time in

1086
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,960
my opinion

1087
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,960
to uh

1088
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:26,640
have the

1089
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,119
research on the ufo subject on the ufo

1090
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:31,839
phenomenon

1091
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,000
in private hands because until now and

1092
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,119
of course this is still going on

1093
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,480
the research and all the informations on

1094
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:45,839
the ufo phenomenon or uap if you prefer

1095
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,280
are monopoly of the military slash of

1096
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:50,880
the intelligence

1097
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,640
and so as long as we go on this way we

1098
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:56,880
will never arrive

1099
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:00,400
anywhere because each one will

1100
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:03,760
of course continue to study privately on

1101
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:07,280
its own without sharing anything keeping

1102
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:10,400
everything under heavy heavy secrecy and

1103
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,400
so on so this is why there is a real a a

1104
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:15,920
real need

1105
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,920
for a change of i can say say

1106
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,079
change of gear in this

1107
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:24,640
in the research in the private research

1108
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:28,319
of on the ufo phenomenon and icer wants

1109
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,280
to be exactly this

1110
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:33,680
i'm sure for many years you and your

1111
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,079
colleagues icer have had an eye on the

1112
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,720
united states and the happenings over

1113
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,119
there starting with to the stars academy

1114
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,000
of arts and science in 2017 and now

1115
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,079
further efforts by luis elizondo

1116
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,559
christopher merlin and others to bring

1117
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:50,640
the conversation to the public

1118
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,520
what have you learned from from their

1119
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,920
attempts to move this conversation

1120
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,000
forward

1121
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,430
the first thing i can say is that they

1122
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,920
are really sincere in my opinion i had

1123
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:07,520
the possibility

1124
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,760
to interact with lou alizondo quite uh

1125
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,440
extensively

1126
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:15,280
during the last

1127
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:18,319
san marino congress

1128
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,680
and i can tell he's really a honest

1129
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,920
person sincere guy

1130
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:26,160
sincerely

1131
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,640
doing what he can for the cause so so to

1132
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,720
speak and and this

1133
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,280
term the cause is the one that he

1134
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:37,839
himself use frequently

1135
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:41,040
and uh i can say that

1136
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:41,760
in

1137
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:49,440
uh

1138
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,599
is due to the action of president trump

1139
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,160
not because he was

1140
00:50:02,950 --> 00:49:59,680
interested in the subject and wanted

1141
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,960
uh disclosure to happen no no

1142
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:04,160
not at all

1143
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,440
but what he did is that he removed

1144
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,800
a lot of top officers uh

1145
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:14,000
in the army

1146
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,520
and in the military

1147
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,760
and in the intelligence

1148
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,839
so if this is true

1149
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,280
that in

1150
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:23,520
in the military slash intelligence

1151
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,559
complex there have always been two

1152
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:27,920
factions

1153
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,920
one pro disclosure and the other against

1154
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,280
disclosure

1155
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,800
while the

1156
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:35,839
the

1157
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:41,920
against disclosure has always been

1158
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:42,640
uh

1159
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:45,440
the majority the vast majority

1160
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:49,520
so that no disclosure could ever happen

1161
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,960
so if this was true then what president

1162
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:55,200
trump has done

1163
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,000
has

1164
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:59,040
actually all sprung the door open

1165
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,400
for the

1166
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:02,960
until now minority

1167
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:06,400
which was in favor of disclosure so that

1168
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:09,599
finally they could start acting

1169
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:12,720
so in my opinion nowadays we have the

1170
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,680
duo

1171
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,200
of um

1172
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:18,800
duo elizondo with chris mellon who are

1173
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:22,319
the two front men of this while we have

1174
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:26,960
a number of uh high level officer or top

1175
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,319
level officer officers maybe

1176
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:33,920
we are in service uh in in the military

1177
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,839
slash

1178
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:37,280
intelligence community

1179
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,160
who are those who uh how can i say

1180
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:43,920
may make

1181
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:44,720
the

1182
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,000
this process of disclosure possible and

1183
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:51,359
i say process because now it's almost

1184
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,720
three years that it's been going on and

1185
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:56,480
we can see

1186
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,559
that there i mean uh judging by

1187
00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:03,119
how things developed

1188
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:06,280
in starting from december 9

1189
00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:09,599
2017 we can see and we can understand

1190
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,740
that there is indeed um

1191
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,680
[Music]

1192
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,240
how can i say there is indeed a plan

1193
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:18,480
for this and it's not something that is

1194
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,599
happening

1195
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,599
just by chance no no

1196
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:22,640
i

1197
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,040
but

1198
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:33,440
how the way go

1199
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:36,880
that i mean there is a plan for for

1200
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,079
disclosure and they are for a gradual of

1201
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:43,280
course process of disclosure and they

1202
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:44,800
are acting

1203
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:47,680
according to to to this plan

1204
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:51,599
so uh very likely i suppose that in in

1205
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,400
in in a few months we will see something

1206
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,319
more and i dare

1207
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:02,950
foresee that maybe the next um

1208
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,040
important uh event on this on this plan

1209
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,440
could be on the development of this plan

1210
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:11,040
could be

1211
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,480
the fact that um

1212
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,520
how can i say that the us government

1213
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:19,760
uh takes into consideration the

1214
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:22,640
possibility that these devices are

1215
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,520
actually et et dive et made devices

1216
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:29,520
or that the uh

1217
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,119
extraterrestrial hypothesis the eth is

1218
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:35,839
actually being considered by the us

1219
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:38,559
government so i think this could be i

1220
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,160
mean this is my

1221
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:45,359
uh can i say a forecast

1222
00:54:05,750 --> 00:53:46,800
i

1223
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,760
they are not

1224
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:07,680
they are

1225
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,119
enacted following a specific plan

1226
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,000
sure they are by design i think is yes

1227
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,559
it's definitely looking likely now on

1228
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,800
october 8th icer released a press

1229
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,040
release to confirm that on the 13th of

1230
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,319
september a small delegation uh with

1231
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:26,240
members of the cun

1232
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:29,359
and uh basically presented documentation

1233
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:32,640
to uh a member of the san marino

1234
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:34,880
minister of culture for san marino sorry

1235
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:37,280
andrea bellucci uh documentation

1236
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,559
pertaining to project titan now

1237
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:43,200
you are looking essentially to use the

1238
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:46,400
the country of san marino to take the

1239
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,680
this notion of ufos to the u.n which

1240
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,359
should be a lofty change for the

1241
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,960
conversation

1242
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,680
why san marino why san marino as the

1243
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,880
vessel

1244
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,400
yes

1245
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:00,480
there's a very

1246
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,440
very specific reason for for this so now

1247
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:06,160
uh i would like to to to make clear now

1248
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,520
let's stop talking of the us and now

1249
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:11,359
let's start

1250
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:12,400
uh

1251
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,040
talking about this initiative which is

1252
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,839
being called the project titan not to be

1253
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:20,720
confused with the project titan of apple

1254
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,079
which is a project meant to prepare to

1255
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,000
create if i'm

1256
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:27,920
if i remember well an

1257
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,119
autonomous drive vehicle so

1258
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:33,040
that's another matter

1259
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,520
so this project titan or projecto titano

1260
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:39,119
in italian

1261
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:42,480
is uh formulated jointly by the chain

1262
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:46,960
trophological nationale and the icer

1263
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:50,319
uh to invite san marino

1264
00:56:03,990 --> 00:55:51,200
to

1265
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,000
uh project for the establishment within

1266
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,040
the u.n structure of an office i mean

1267
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:10,319
something small i mean not not and

1268
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:11,280
anything

1269
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,559
nothing big

1270
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,200
of an office who tasked with the

1271
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,359
organization of a periodic

1272
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,040
world conference

1273
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,079
under the aegis of the united nations on

1274
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,160
the state of the studies on the ufo

1275
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:27,359
phenomenon to be held in the republic of

1276
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:28,640
san marino

1277
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,710
i mean this is basically what the

1278
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,280
project titan is for

1279
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,240
and so of course why san marino there

1280
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,640
are some good reasons for this san

1281
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,079
marino

1282
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:47,839
first of all is

1283
00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:50,480
not at all

1284
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,460
i mean san marino is

1285
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,160
[Music]

1286
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:56,240
he's been

1287
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:57,359
wait

1288
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,720
i must find find the proper

1289
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:02,640
english words i'm i'm sorry but you know

1290
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:05,680
it's not my mother tongue so

1291
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:07,359
i have to i mean

1292
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,839
san marino is not stranger to the ufo or

1293
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:13,599
euap phenomenon

1294
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:22,069
editions of the congress

1295
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:24,839
of the sorry of the world symposium on

1296
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,799
ufos and related phenomena

1297
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:31,119
so it's not i mean

1298
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:34,640
it's 30 edition which is not

1299
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,520
a it's quite considerable number

1300
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:38,960
san marino

1301
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:41,359
has been the first

1302
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:45,760
state in europe to devote a stamp

1303
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:49,680
to issue a stamp on the ufo subject

1304
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:54,160
and in and nowadays they have devoted

1305
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,599
two stems

1306
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:58,160
to the ufo phenomenon

1307
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:01,760
san marino is a neutral state

1308
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,680
and they are proud of their neutrality

1309
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:06,640
uh

1310
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:10,160
knowing that the neutrality makes the

1311
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:13,280
small republic an ideal place

1312
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:17,680
for meeting for dialogue so what better

1313
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,000
uh of this i mean san marino

1314
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:22,960
would could really become the geneva for

1315
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:25,520
the ufos actually

1316
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:28,640
and i'm confident in

1317
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,599
i'm confident that the government of san

1318
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,799
marino

1319
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,079
will

1320
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:37,440
appreciate the importance of this

1321
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:38,559
because

1322
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,440
uh this of course the this is going i

1323
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:43,839
mean it's going something

1324
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,200
which

1325
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:48,000
if it if they approve it of course they

1326
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,079
will have to do quite an effort for to

1327
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:53,760
organize this but i mean this is

1328
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:56,880
something that from from this they could

1329
00:59:02,549 --> 00:58:59,440
benefit greatly benefit

1330
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:02,559
in terms of spreading the knowledge of

1331
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,359
the of the small republic in the world

1332
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,319
in terms of tourism in terms of

1333
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:10,720
international stand of the republic i

1334
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:13,359
mean because of course they could do i

1335
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:14,400
mean

1336
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:17,280
with this initiative they would do an

1337
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,559
action which

1338
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,640
which has a great merit

1339
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:22,400
for the whole

1340
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:23,599
for the

1341
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:27,520
not exaggerated to

1342
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:28,240
to

1343
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:33,359
and this is why san marino was chosen

1344
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:36,000
was also chosen because of course uh we

1345
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,760
have contact with the with the

1346
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,160
government uh the chain trophological

1347
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:42,720
nationality of course has

1348
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,480
uh contacts

1349
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:47,280
with with the san marino government so i

1350
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:50,880
mean but the the most important thing is

1351
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,839
that i mean san marino is no stranger to

1352
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,400
the ufo not at all so

1353
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:58,640
this is and and

1354
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:01,359
and also as i said before he is very

1355
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,720
proud of its uh independency and

1356
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:06,319
neutrality

1357
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:08,000
so

1358
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,440
i don't see a better place for this kind

1359
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:13,520
of event for a world

1360
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:16,559
world uh conference on

1361
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:20,319
the the studies on the ufo phenomenon

1362
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:24,960
on to be held in san marino to have

1363
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:27,440
everyone who is interested in studying

1364
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:30,319
the phenomenon be that un specialized

1365
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:31,680
agencies

1366
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:34,559
be there specialized entities of

1367
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:38,640
governmental bodies of un member states

1368
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:41,440
be those be that international

1369
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:44,559
organizations like icer for instance or

1370
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:47,599
private organization like the mufon

1371
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:50,720
or others i mean or

1372
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:53,920
csu and so on so i mean

1373
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,079
this is why we think that san marino

1374
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:01,440
is the perfect place to become i mean

1375
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:03,280
and it's it's really

1376
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,000
uh

1377
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,160
could really become the geneva of the

1378
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,880
ufo i like to use i like very much to

1379
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:11,040
use this term and i'm confident that

1380
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:12,319
they will be

1381
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,119
they

1382
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:15,599
will appreciate the importance of this

1383
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,799
proposal

1384
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,720
absolutely that that makes sense that

1385
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,160
it's a nation that

1386
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,319
maybe doesn't have as much to lose in

1387
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:24,720
terms of reputation not to mean that

1388
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:27,280
offensively that uh italia germany a

1389
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,960
united kingdom would bringing these

1390
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,880
conversations forward who who

1391
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:33,119
potentially would rather sit back and

1392
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,640
allow someone else to broach that

1393
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:36,480
subject and it's a very brave thing to

1394
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,280
do

1395
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,760
i would ask if project titan was

1396
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,480
successful in securing an office within

1397
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:45,200
the un for the study of uap

1398
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,119
would you be hoping for access to

1399
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:49,839
historic governmental data or would you

1400
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:52,240
see it as a fresh start and a point too

1401
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:54,400
much move forward from

1402
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:55,280
well

1403
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,630
foresee is the creation of a small

1404
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:06,720
office within the united nations

1405
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:09,680
structure but this office is just tasked

1406
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:12,799
with the organization of this conference

1407
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,200
so i mean it's not like in 1978

1408
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,440
with the grenada

1409
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:20,960
initiative

1410
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:26,960
to create

1411
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:28,559
a full body

1412
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:32,319
for specifically the study of the ufo

1413
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:35,280
phenomenon i mean it was um

1414
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,319
a proposal for something big actually

1415
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:40,000
big

1416
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:43,440
what the this project this

1417
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,670
foresee is a small structure i mean the

1418
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,440
smallest as possible

1419
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:53,599
not to be uh

1420
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,670
not destructive

1421
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:01,359
not to use

1422
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:04,000
too much resources i mean

1423
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:06,880
of the of the un uh

1424
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:09,920
budget but a small office meant to

1425
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:11,599
organize

1426
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,480
this this world conference

1427
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,039
and this world conference uh would be

1428
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:19,680
held within san marino

1429
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,319
within the the territory of the republic

1430
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,720
so i mean it's not an office that has to

1431
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:26,319
study anything no

1432
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:29,200
no no the office is in

1433
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,400
wood should be in charge of this or the

1434
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:34,319
organization of this conference and the

1435
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:35,839
conference

1436
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,039
uh would be meant to

1437
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:41,680
assess the quality and the level of

1438
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:45,440
studies on the ufo phenomenon

1439
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:48,640
and of course would also work for would

1440
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,760
also function as a lan

1441
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:53,280
as a place

1442
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:54,960
of discussion

1443
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:57,200
of exchange of ideas

1444
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:58,480
of exchange

1445
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:01,280
of the diffusion of knowledge

1446
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:03,839
previously owned by

1447
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,880
single states or a single organization

1448
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:08,640
and a platform

1449
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:12,559
to propose new ideas also for the study

1450
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:16,000
of the phenomenon and and last but not

1451
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:17,119
least

1452
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,240
a way

1453
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:21,119
to instruct the public

1454
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:22,000
on

1455
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:28,559
to study it properly

1456
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:31,520
you see so and and by the way andy i

1457
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:33,359
take the opportunity to make a

1458
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,000
connection with 1978 granada initiative

1459
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,319
there is one thing which is sometimes

1460
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,200
needs to be properly um

1461
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:45,440
spelled out so to speak

1462
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:46,000
uh

1463
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:47,280
[Music]

1464
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:50,240
i often heard saying that the granada

1465
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:51,760
initiative

1466
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:53,119
just

1467
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:56,240
was aborted when there was the

1468
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:57,839
coup d'etat

1469
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:59,440
the the

1470
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:01,839
how did you say in english the

1471
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:02,799
uh

1472
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:05,440
when the regime when the regime

1473
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,480
of

1474
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:09,359
sergei was overthrown

1475
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,920
by bishop so

1476
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:13,200
and then

1477
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:17,280
the proposal of grenada was ju remained

1478
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:18,319
just

1479
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,680
how can i say

1480
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:21,200
hanging there

1481
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:24,400
and could not be properly discussed and

1482
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:25,359
so on

1483
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:29,359
no this is not repeat not correct

1484
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,400
because

1485
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:32,400
formally speaking

1486
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:35,760
i mean from a formal point of view the

1487
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:38,000
grenada proposal

1488
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:38,720
uh

1489
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:40,400
i'm speaking of

1490
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:43,440
the grenada proposal of 1978

1491
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,200
because granada proposed um

1492
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:49,680
made another proposal the the year

1493
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:50,559
before

1494
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:53,119
in any case what is more important is

1495
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:00,870
indeed

1496
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:08,870
how do you say english either

1497
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:15,750
was formally completed i mean because

1498
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:16,480
the

1499
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:25,359
secretary general office to be discussed

1500
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:27,839
in the special political committee the

1501
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:30,480
special political committee met at least

1502
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:33,200
three times that year to discuss this

1503
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:34,160
item

1504
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:35,200
and then

1505
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,720
uh the

1506
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:38,559
special political committee at the end

1507
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,079
of discussion uh recommended that the

1508
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,160
u.n secretary at the u.n

1509
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:46,559
general and uh general

1510
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:50,160
assembly voted this proposal

1511
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:51,200
uh

1512
01:07:02,549 --> 01:06:57,760
assembly and was

1513
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:02,559
uh approved by consensus so the formal

1514
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:04,130
uh i can say

1515
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,599
[Music]

1516
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:07,440
i missed the process

1517
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:10,240
yes yes right the the

1518
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:14,640
the whole process of this proposal

1519
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:17,280
was completed i mean there was nothing

1520
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,240
left

1521
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:20,880
hanging so to speak sure so

1522
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,079
what is what is actually

1523
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:26,160
what remained actually hanging is the

1524
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,359
spirit

1525
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:29,119
of the proposal

1526
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:32,400
not the formal proposal itself i mean it

1527
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:36,000
it is important because it's a i mean

1528
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:38,559
it's an important distinction to do it's

1529
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:42,880
the the original spirit of

1530
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:45,839
which led to this proposal which is

1531
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:48,880
still nowadays hanging and ideally

1532
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:52,720
ideally this project titan

1533
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:55,119
once wants to

1534
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:58,000
reconnect to the spirit of this

1535
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:01,280
not not to the to the formal request

1536
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:04,000
because that that's not the story but

1537
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:07,039
the spirit of it is to i mean to bring

1538
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:07,839
the

1539
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:11,680
phenomenon of ufo

1540
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:15,440
to the attention of the united nation so

1541
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:17,679
this is some and this is something that

1542
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:18,880
icer

1543
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:19,759
uh

1544
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,000
is one of the stated intentions of icer

1545
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:27,440
to bring the discussion on ufos to the

1546
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,640
highest

1547
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:30,960
level of political

1548
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:33,279
uh debate

1549
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:35,120
that's that's a wonderful notion and one

1550
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:37,040
we look forward to hopefully being seen

1551
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:38,880
through it to its fullest potential

1552
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,640
you've been very generous with your time

1553
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:42,159
but i'd like just a few more minutes to

1554
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,679
go through just a couple of listener

1555
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,600
questions that i've been sent in via

1556
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:48,480
polo the first one is from mike and mike

1557
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,199
wants to know are there some significant

1558
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:53,440
players in this subject of whom the

1559
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:56,239
general public might not be aware of

1560
01:09:04,709 --> 01:08:58,239
that maybe want to remain anonymous but

1561
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:07,269
concerning to what specifically so with

1562
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,279
yourself with your colleagues at icer is

1563
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:11,759
it all very much public facing or are

1564
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,159
there individuals helping that don't

1565
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:15,839
want to be there you know their

1566
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:23,990
concerning icer we are mostly ourselves

1567
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,159
we don't have anyone working in the

1568
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:28,000
shadow i mean

1569
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:29,920
i mean at least

1570
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:32,400
but we prefer in any case we prefer to

1571
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:35,520
be as public as possible because this is

1572
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:36,799
one of the

1573
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:40,080
uh stated also this one

1574
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:44,239
well i would say this is another of the

1575
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,560
icers stated intention to be as much as

1576
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:50,799
public as possible

1577
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,640
and bring

1578
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,320
i'll just follow up then on mike's

1579
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:56,080
behalf because i think he may also be

1580
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:58,880
getting at other individuals potentially

1581
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,719
within the italian government or

1582
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:02,480
intelligence communities

1583
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:05,760
like luis elizondo who are working

1584
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,719
for the betterment of the subject

1585
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,640
but i can tell you concerning the

1586
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,159
italian side

1587
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,640
nothing i can tell you for sure that we

1588
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:16,560
i i have no

1589
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:19,840
no contact myself with no one who can be

1590
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:22,159
in the position of of helping in the

1591
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:25,760
shadow and so on so the the reply as

1592
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:29,440
long as italy is concerned is no

1593
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:31,760
so at the moment you would be our uh

1594
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:34,239
luis elizondo paulo which is which is

1595
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:36,000
more than a more than good enough for us

1596
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,800
it looks like uh dan would like to know

1597
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:40,640
what are some of the obstacles that

1598
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:42,880
could prevent project titan from

1599
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:50,149
one thing that i fear

1600
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:54,080
well the thing that i fear most is that

1601
01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:55,520
the

1602
01:11:04,430 --> 01:11:02,000
could find that this is

1603
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,440
maybe something which is a bit too

1604
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,640
[Music]

1605
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:09,280
too much for them i mean i'm

1606
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:11,600
i mean let's be clear i'm just

1607
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:14,800
speculating i i i hope i really hope

1608
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,640
that

1609
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:18,719
they will

1610
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,120
appreciate and understand and appreciate

1611
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:23,440
the importance of this initiative

1612
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:24,159
for

1613
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,920
something which is interest

1614
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:29,360
interesting for us

1615
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:31,920
and for submarine itself which is

1616
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:34,400
something which interest to them as the

1617
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:35,520
government

1618
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:38,560
of the republic so

1619
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:41,520
how can i say

1620
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:44,800
i think this is the very likely the most

1621
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:46,080
uh

1622
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:47,600
foreseeable

1623
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:50,800
uh problem which which we could face

1624
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:53,199
this is why the project

1625
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:57,360
states very clearly that icer and the

1626
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:59,840
centrophologico nationale

1627
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:00,640
will

1628
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:02,480
support the

1629
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:04,480
government of san marino for anything

1630
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,679
which could be necessary specifically on

1631
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,280
the ufo logical

1632
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,960
side

1633
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,080
and also

1634
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,159
on the procedural side

1635
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:16,159
in case but

1636
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:20,000
what is most important of course is uh

1637
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:23,440
that they are properly helped in

1638
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:25,920
those matters that rely properly to the

1639
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:28,000
ufo phenomenon because of course this is

1640
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:33,750
i mean

1641
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:37,040
which which needs a specific uh specific

1642
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:40,800
support on this so i mean um

1643
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:43,520
this is the only problem that i really

1644
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:47,520
can foresee and i and i hope that i mean

1645
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,480
they

1646
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:50,480
and of course we will be more than

1647
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:51,760
willing to

1648
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:54,719
again i i i want to stress it once more

1649
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:57,920
we are more than willing to support them

1650
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:59,920
as icer

1651
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:01,840
joining forces with the chain

1652
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,400
trophological nationality so these two

1653
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:06,880
bodies we will be more than happy to

1654
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,560
support them as

1655
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:10,400
in in any

1656
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,840
way

1657
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:14,000
it may be necessary

1658
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,000
do you have a plan b

1659
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:18,400
for project titan if the san marino

1660
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:21,280
initiative falls through

1661
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:23,840
[Music]

1662
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:27,199
it's half percent yes but i prefer not

1663
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:30,840
to say anything for the moment i mean

1664
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:35,280
um we have a certain idea of of what to

1665
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:38,080
do in case in case

1666
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:40,960
uh the reply of san marino would be

1667
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:43,520
negative but for the moment i prefer to

1668
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,400
say to say nothing because it i mean

1669
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:48,480
it's nothing it just

1670
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:51,280
just a basic idea but nothing concrete

1671
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,880
hopefully nothing we have to use and

1672
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,640
hopefully it goes through as planned i

1673
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:56,880
really i really hope so i really hope so

1674
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,120
because i i i would really like very

1675
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:01,440
much to see san marino as i told you

1676
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,239
before become the geneva of the ufo

1677
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,239
a place where

1678
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:08,320
people of any

1679
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,320
specialist of any kind meet discuss and

1680
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:15,040
exchange information exchange idea

1681
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:18,960
present new initiatives present new new

1682
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:21,360
ideas also and so on so i mean that

1683
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:24,159
would be that would be fantastic and it

1684
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:27,520
would be a naturalist extension of the

1685
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:31,520
30 years of symposium on ufo symposium

1686
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,480
that

1687
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:34,640
we have organ organized as the

1688
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:37,520
centrophologico nationale under the

1689
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:40,480
because these symposium

1690
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,840
symposia which were organized for 30

1691
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:45,199
edition

1692
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:47,920
were always under the sponsor

1693
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,640
sponsorship of the san marino government

1694
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:52,640
they were organized by the

1695
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:55,199
chaintrophologico

1696
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,719
but and they were under the sponsorship

1697
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:01,600
of the san marino government

1698
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:03,679
so you see this is

1699
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:06,880
this is important and i mean uh

1700
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,679
you can understand this is a

1701
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:11,199
i see it

1702
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,600
very well as a natural extension of this

1703
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,840
activity that we're

1704
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:19,440
we are

1705
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:20,400
doing

1706
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:21,760
since uh

1707
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,320
three decades i mean

1708
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:26,480
and a nice question paulo to finish up

1709
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,360
on from dave do you think the

1710
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:31,520
international approach will improve the

1711
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:33,920
chances for a quicker disclosure

1712
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:36,560
timeline than perhaps maybe the case if

1713
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,880
it was led by one nation such as the

1714
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:40,400
united states

1715
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:43,600
definitely definitely so i do agree with

1716
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:46,960
dave absolutely absolutely the it i mean

1717
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:50,320
we must and the and this is one of the

1718
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:53,199
basic reason for icer

1719
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:54,640
it's uh

1720
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:58,719
as i said before and and i i like to to

1721
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:00,719
repeat it now i mean

1722
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,000
uh icer is the first or international

1723
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:06,400
organization of this kind

1724
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:10,960
and because we think that icer is i mean

1725
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:13,600
a necessary step i mean not specifically

1726
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:16,640
isa but i mean it is necessary to

1727
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:17,920
start

1728
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bringing the the discussion on the ufo

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subject on the ufo phenomenon at the

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01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:26,560
internation at the dimension of the

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01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:28,239
international level

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01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,719
this is absolutely necessary because and

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we if

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each one goes on each state each nation

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01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,800
goes on

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01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:38,480
on his own

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01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:40,640
under the military intelligence

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01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:43,199
leadership to study ufos of course

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01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:45,760
keeping everything they know under heavy

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01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:49,440
secret and so on we will never never go

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01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:52,640
anywhere we will never do uh we will

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01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:53,520
never

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01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:56,239
have any chance of improving our

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01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:57,840
knowledge and

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01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,880
and uh and having actually

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01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:03,120
a real disclosure

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01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,440
paulo can you let the listeners and the

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01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:07,679
viewers on youtube who will be watching

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01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,679
know how you and your colleagues can be

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01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:11,520
found online where can they find your

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01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:13,520
work

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01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:15,120
sorry where they can

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01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,360
so if you want to give out any websites

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01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,679
or twitter any social media so people

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01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:21,280
can go and and look at the work of

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01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:24,480
yourself or iso yes yes of course well i

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01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:27,520
have uh i have a website which is mostly

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01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:30,800
in italy in italian because you know

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01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,320
and until now my

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01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:36,400
my ufo related

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01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:38,080
related activity

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01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:39,440
has been

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01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:42,560
within uh the national boundaries of

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01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:45,600
italy so to speak because most of my

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01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:50,239
activity was of translating ufo

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01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:51,679
related i mean

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01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:55,280
documents in relevant to the ufo

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01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:57,280
research

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01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:00,320
translated into italian and published

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01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:03,440
into my website so

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uh

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01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:06,640
i have this website where i have

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01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:10,239
published a lot of great number of

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01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:12,320
translations but they are translations

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01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:15,360
into italy into italian so

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01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:18,080
i think that could be could not be of a

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01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,080
great utility to uh english speaking

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01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:24,159
uh persons so

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01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:27,760
and but i have um twitter account which

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01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:29,120
is uh

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01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:30,080
uh

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01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:32,800
i'm trying to internationalize it as

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much as possible nowadays

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01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:38,480
with uh with my icer activity

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p a o l o

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g

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u

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i

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z

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five six

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this is the

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one i'm using not using facebook at

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least at the moment

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and uh

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01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:07,520
so this is my

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01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:09,840
this is my

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01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:12,880
main contact at the momentum contact i

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01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:13,679
mean

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01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:16,800
it's the social media i use the most for

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at least for the moment then i'm

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01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,360
planning to put up a properly done

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facebook page but

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i mean you know having to work

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01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:28,880
yes i know i know the feeling the the

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01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:31,760
time i can i have to to

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01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:34,719
to devote myself to to this is really

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really rather limited so

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for the moment i only i only use twitter

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01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:42,400
uh and you can also find acer's work at

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01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:44,960
icer dot network which is the icer

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01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:47,280
website as well if anyone wants to go on

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01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:49,840
that's more international yes and

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01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:53,440
exactly icer dot network this is the the

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01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,080
website at the moment is not 12 i mean

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01:20:02,149 --> 01:20:00,480
because you know we are still i mean we

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01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:02,159
we officially

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01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:06,000
uh announced ourselves uh publicly in

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june so

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01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:10,639
no sorry may end of may so it said just

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01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:13,520
a few months that icer exists so

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01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:14,800
there are still

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01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:16,960
a good amount of things that needs to be

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01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:19,600
fixed to be properly done and one of

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01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:22,239
these is the website which is

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01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:23,120
uh

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01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:25,040
not not so

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01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:26,480
i'm going to say

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not yet

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prepared as we would would like but of

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01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:34,000
course it takes time and it takes effort

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01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:35,920
and

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but

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01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:39,520
in any case we are 28

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01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:43,520
now we are 28 national representatives

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01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:46,560
uh all scattered all over the world and

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01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,920
each uh representative has a

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01:20:54,030 --> 01:20:51,120
deputy

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01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:54,040
so we are more than 50

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01:21:03,110 --> 01:20:59,360
56 57 persons in this in this

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01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:03,120
in this group and but we we have um

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01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,120
i mean i can tell you this for the

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01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:07,520
moment we do not have those many

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01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:10,800
resources especially and especially

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01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,760
uh on the of the financial kind but we

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01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:15,840
do have a lot of ideas

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01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:19,120
and we and we want to

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01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:22,560
turn these ideas into realities

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01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:24,800
okay thanks very much andy

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it's been wonderful speaking with you

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01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,440
apollo and i wish you and your

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01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:28,960
colleagues all the very best and

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01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:31,040
hopefully i can get myself out to san

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01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:33,360
marino to visit on that next congress

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01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:34,639
why not

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01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:39,120
that is all for this week's show thank

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01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,120
you very much for listening please

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01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:43,120
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01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:12,350
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[Music]

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i jump back nearly kiss

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because it doesn't really scare me

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[Music]

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if you really want to know who i think

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[Music]

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is

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it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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[Music]

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it's very different